WTF? Where does self-determination in this argument come from?

Firstly, Torah, like the Christian bible, or the Koran or any religious book is a load of hogwash. There is not god. God did not give a particular piece of lad to a particular people for the simple reason that there is no god.

I am simply saying that the idea that this particular land belonged to some people based on a false claim that god gave it to them 3000 years ago is a load of hogwash, and one does not continue to steal land from Palestinians (who have lived there throughout that time) bedause one imagines that the land belongs to them historically.

Should we send all the Brits back to Norway because their ancestors are Vikings?

Start redoing the international map from where people were 2000 years ago, and there are problems.