I understand what he is saying.

I suspect thst the reason scientists are so surprised at the speed of the effects of climate chsnge is because they don't yet realize that it is an indication that we are past the tipping point.

That said, lets say that we get everybody to agree that they have to stop eating meat, it will make no difference for the next 10 yo 20 years. And it won't reverse the existing effects after that.

Also, what Alan is saying is "This can be done." What I am saying is "It won"t be done, and if it is, we are already on the downside of the tipping point, and it is not going to reverse .

Let me give you an example of the zeitgeist of the moment. I am going to stay with a friend in Portugal for a few weeeks. I wanted to buy something, and I thought I could get it from Temu.

My friend immediately said not to buy it from Temu. I asked why. She said the products weren't sustainable, and that the staff were being paid slave labour wages, and nobody could live on those wages.

I told her that I had bought 3 pairs of snowboots 6 or 9 months ago for €10 each, and that despite wearing them everyday, they were still as new and I would get a good 3 years wear out of them.

I told my daughter. She said, "Yes, I know. I am too tired and too ill to care. I am burnt out frrom being poor and working so hard to survive. I can only afford those products."

Tim, I am 72. I do not own a house or a car or a TV set or chairs for the lounge. My social security is $224 per month. My daughter pays 3/4 of her salary for rent. Last year, my entire income from writing and social security was €6,072, and after I had taken off all the expenses, my income was 0. Yet I worked 5 or 6 hours a day 7 days a week at writing.

My situation is not unusual. When the struggle is between survival and paying extra for sustainable products, it is survival that wins.

The people sending rockets to the moon and Mars are dumping massive amounts of bad elements into the air. I see no huge outcry that them to stop.

But some people seem to think that everybody is going to give up meat so that in 10 or 15 years time, the weather won't be quite so bad? And they arre asking people whose every waking breath is a struggle?

Tim, in my opinion, that is not going to happen. The people who are suggesting that we give up meat tend to be the upper middle classes who have many replacement choices available to them. Most of us don't.

I'm also sorry, but I don't buy books. I used to get them free from VK, but since the war, Google has removed them from the web. I still get books free from the local book exchange, and the rest I read on the web. So I can't read your friend's book.

I gave up writing about stopping climate change a little over two years ago because I realized the events indicated we had reached tipping point.

I now write about adaptation for those who have ears to hear.